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Ping, this entire thread started in early 2016 and is very illuminating to read again in mid 2019!
 
The media was trying to put recession fears into everyones mind because they hate Trump so much. They would rather see economic crashes than Trump's successes...
 
Funny topic considering stock market closed at a high yesterday and has been going up none stop. I always say to my lefty friends or Trump haters to please look at there 401 the month he came into office and tell me you are not better off now. I saw a positive difference within 1 month that he was in office. That said not everybody's 401 will show great growth but most have.
Im no financial guru but im doing better in all areas, my investments are spread out, 401, mutual funds, IRA ECT. and I am up everywhere.
Im even getting interest in my basic bank account which i did not see with 8 years off the apology president. I think once we make a deal with china the stock market will rally and be in the 30000 territory. With all the negative stuff said daily and look what the market has constantly done since the first month in. All my friends who are builders in NYC are working and they were in a slow down before this. Saw on the news last night we added 120,000 jobs past month which is more than predicted and he has added 6.5 million jobs in the short time in office. Put on CNN and yes we are crashing, we are going to war and list goes on. Anyone who is selling off or has already sold off there long term investments lost all potential growth.
Yes history shows there will be up times and down times, timing is everything, not everybody will do great. If you are not making 8 to 12% interest on your stuff the past couple of years you might look to move it into something else. Anyone who is young and just starting out thats interested in basic investing i would be happy to tell you what im doing that is working for me. That said im no guru, just basics that are positive for me.
Real estate/house is your best long term investment and old saying is don't put your eggs all in one basket. I hope trump is in another 4 years.
 
The media was trying to put recession fears into everyones mind because they hate Trump so much. They would rather see economic crashes than Trump's successes...
It makes me sick these folks wishing for a bad economy. The ones saying it are already finically set so it wouldn't affect them much.
 
It makes me sick these folks wishing for a bad economy. The ones saying it are already finically set so it wouldn't affect them much.
Sad but True. I despise all DIMS :mad: I hope you Guys are Long AAPL,MSFT,FB,JPM,BAC and BGCP/NMRK. Look at their ytd.Factor in dividends please. Most Analysts do not ( morons ). S&P already surpassed my 3050 eoy projection :eek:

Happy to be wrong ! Trump 2020. He will Crush whatever DIM wins that Dopey Primary.Never seen such a Weak and Pathetic field :eek:
 
Trump is the most politically divisive figure we've ever seen. Personally I can't stand him and his oversized ego, and I could go on and on, but his policies are spot on, and that's what matters, it is hard to keep the two separate. The Dems are down right scary, just like the millennials that support them! They're coming so brace yourself. In the mean time enjoy the last of America as we know it.
 
Rayman;The Dems are down right scary said:
You aint kidding, scares me what they say.
Get out and vote in your local elections too.
Have couple of neighbors that never vote and are outraged, needless to say they are voting now.
I realize Trumps ego might rub people the wrong way but he's not there to make you feel warm and fuzzy. As long as he does his job is what really matters.

Its like having a boss you might not be friends with on your off time, but if you make a good living and leaves you alone to do your job what's the issue. I wouldn't quit to make less money just to have a boss i can say is my friend.
I don't work to make friends. Don't know if thats well said but hopefully you get my point.
Things are going much better than previous administration so don't rock the boat.

One last thing is i cant picture anyone on this forum wanting to vote the other way with the Green new deal.
We all share a passion they dream of taking away from our garages, our cars! No more fossil fuel anything is they're dream. Just crazy, they should all be forced to
test drive there new electric planes.:eek:
 
The media was trying to put recession fears into everyones mind because they hate Trump so much. They would rather see economic crashes than Trump's successes...
The media did fixate on it for that purpose, but they didn't create the fear of a recession - the market as a whole is oversold and hyperinflated. We're in the longest bull run in the history of the market (past decade) without any significant retracement.

It's coming, and I'll be waiting for top tech stocks & properties with cashhhhhh. I'm looking forward to another 2008, the car market seems to forget the price of rare toys and 'classics' in 2008 when everyone was dumping their toys left and right.
 
Trump is the most politically divisive figure we've ever seen. Personally I can't stand him and his oversized ego, and I could go on and on, but his policies are spot on, and that's what matters, it is hard to keep the two separate. The Dems are down right scary, just like the millennials that support them! They're coming so brace yourself. In the mean time enjoy the last of America as we know it.
Don't let the media and social media fool you, those clowns are mostly isolated to their super liberal regions, hence why they genuinely believed Trump had no chance and then he ****ted on the entire election. Compare the counties won count, those social justice warrior liberal cucks have no future.

He's going to lock down 2020, and Ruth's old ass isn't going to be alive throughout another term and he'll put another conservative on the bench.
 
Maybe not 2020, but they will have their time, no question about it, the Demographics don't lie. There's many people that now embrace a cradle society. Capitalism is evil, Capitalist are the oppressors.
 
The media did fixate on it for that purpose, but they didn't create the fear of a recession - the market as a whole is oversold and hyperinflated. We're in the longest bull run in the history of the market (past decade) without any significant retracement.

It's coming, and I'll be waiting for top tech stocks & properties with cashhhhhh. I'm looking forward to another 2008, the car market seems to forget the price of rare toys and 'classics' in 2008 when everyone was dumping their toys left and right.
There is always a recession looming and there is always a recovery looming. Its the natural cycle of economics. No way will be looking at another 2008 when we do experience a pullback.
 
What an Incredible year for the Market. All 4 indices broke all time highs ! Look at the ytd of AAPL,MSFT,FB,JPM,BAC etc.

I am looking at another Excellent year. Will we Duplicate 2019 ? Nope, but I expect 20% gains for most Equities.Stay long and DRIP. EZ $$$ await. Good Luck to all. :yes:
 
I can’t believe in 2016 I thought we would have a recession in 2017, lol. I won’t even try to guess.
 
The current environment reminds me of the "irrational exuberance" days. Too much money chasing too few opportunities. Money is being thrust into companies even if they are loosing money. So what, it has to go somewhere. The only thing different is the economy appears to be real.

Just as the market appears to have no top, it will appear to have no bottom, whenever that is.
 
Greenspan first used "irrational exuberance" in 1996 at the mid point of one of the strongest bull market runs in history. The "appear to have no bottoms" have always happened, and I believe (and hope) will always happen, during recessions.

A lot easier to make hay while the sun is shining.
 
Greenspan first used "irrational exuberance" in 1996 at the mid point of one of the strongest bull market runs in history. The "appear to have no bottoms" have always happened, and I believe (and hope) will always happen, during recessions.

A lot easier to make hay while the sun is shining.
Exactly. Make hay while the sun is shining! No one can predict this market. Just remember, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
 
We might not be in what qualifies as a recession or depression because of the virus, but companies like sears and jc penny will close without a bail out. There will be huge job cuts without the retailors who aren't as well capitalized as Walmart, target and Costco.
 
What I find amazing is the stock market cratered 08/09 because some people shuffled some paper incorrectly, and we darn near went into a depression. This is 10 times worse, and the market is rosy as can be.

The only explanation I can think of is most people, having learned a hard lesson by selling and locking in their losses refuse to this time, and are holding stock prices artificially, and unjustifiably high. Even that doesn't make much sense though because the market is not driven by JohnQ public.
 
What I find amazing is the stock market cratered 08/09 because some people shuffled some paper incorrectly, and we darn near went into a depression. This is 10 times worse, and the market is rosy as can be.

The only explanation I can think of is most people, having learned a hard lesson by selling and locking in their losses refuse to this time, and are holding stock prices artificially, and unjustifiably high. Even that doesn't make much sense though because the market is not driven by JohnQ public.
Rayman,
Respectfully, you have way oversimplified the 08/09 mess and are now confused by conflating it with the current mess. 2008/2009 was not 'some people' shuffling papers, it was everyone up and down the line, and for years in the making. Hourly workers buying spec homes, the govt forcing lenders to extend loans to those with poor credit, Wall Street investors lending money with dubious credit underwriting making the profit upfront with no long term risk mitigation, borrowers knowingly over-borrowing, self-serving Realtors shamefully advising clients, rating agencies on the take, appraisers not questioning 20-30-40% value increases per year, developers building vast spec communities, flippers, and so on. In short, it was the greed of darned near everyone expecting to make a quick buck. Importantly, it was years and years in the making with a high percentage of the entire economy built upon this greedy house of cards.

With that said, it is easier to understand the stock market condition 'this time' around. The economy is in a tail spin for no fundamental underlying economic reasons or condition, and certainly none that were a long time in the making. This dreary situation is caused by a sudden reaction to an external, non-economic shock to the system. Remove that shock to the system quickly enough and the economy will in large measure recovery quickly -- not all the way nor overnight, but in large measure and soon. However, continue this reaction for a long period of time, and companies and people will fall irreversibly reach a tipping point into bankruptcy simply due to the continued albeit forced lack of revenues.

The stock market was crushed for a long period of time in 08/09/10 and took many quarters to settle and begin to recover because large portions of the entire economy had to be rebuilt from greed-based hyped up business models to viable, long-term risk-adjusted business models.

Today, the stock market valuations are implying a return to some form of normalcy sooner than will cause the collapse of the economy and wholesale corporate and personal BKs. If stock valuations are correct, the virus wanes, people go back to the same jobs they still have, rents begin to be paid again, people drive cars, buy oil, eat out, and start shopping again in time to avert a depression. Not full employment, and not to pre-virus levels right away, but soon enough to avert a depression. If stock valuations are incorrect, it will imply the virus hits again and harder, people cannot return to their jobs quickly enough, companies that formerly had good business models fail for lack of revenues rather than lack of a viable business, and we will experience a dead-cat bounce and severe depression.

I'm hoping for the former, as apparently are a lot of stock investors.

Love all you do for and on this site, Rayman. Hope you personally are staying safe and healthy.
 
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